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Edinburgh Creation Group is an active forum where scientifically minded people meet to discuss evidence supporting the biblical account of creation. (Programme)
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A video of Paul's talk The Christmas Story an historical investigation is now online:
The Christmas Story an Historical Investigation. You can also see Sylvia Baker's talk Darwinism Under The Microscope
The latest video from Dr Arthur Jones Is Atheism Scientific? is now online.
This week scientists have 'discovered' what Arthur Jones says the indisputable evidence has shown for fifty years: that inherited traits are not solely determined by DNA. Arthur Jones pointed this out in his Edinburgh Creation Group talk Fish Fossils and Evolution six months ago (please go to time 53min 37sec for argument).
He was mocked by some Atheist scientists for doing so. He said each embryo receives not just a full set of DNA from its parents but a fully functional cell complete with proteins and RNA each of these also has an effect on inherited characteristics. Proteins and RNA regulate the expression of DNA allowing features already in DNA to be expressed or repressed.
Though Darwinists deny it, this fits incredibly well with the Creationist theory of distinct created kinds which have the in built (rather than acquired) ability to adapt to their environment. In built adaptability is certainly consistent with the Intelligent Design hypothesis. However it seems that Evolutionists are working hard to come up with the theory of artificially Intelligent Evolution to counter really Intelligent Design.
One thing seems certain the Dawkins' argument of a Blind Watch Maker can at last be laid to rest.
He was mocked by some Atheist scientists for doing so. He said each embryo receives not just a full set of DNA from its parents but a fully functional cell complete with proteins and RNA each of these also has an effect on inherited characteristics. Proteins and RNA regulate the expression of DNA allowing features already in DNA to be expressed or repressed.
Though Darwinists deny it, this fits incredibly well with the Creationist theory of distinct created kinds which have the in built (rather than acquired) ability to adapt to their environment. In built adaptability is certainly consistent with the Intelligent Design hypothesis. However it seems that Evolutionists are working hard to come up with the theory of artificially Intelligent Evolution to counter really Intelligent Design.
One thing seems certain the Dawkins' argument of a Blind Watch Maker can at last be laid to rest.
Science is founded on the assumption that the universe obeys a set of understandable, well ordered rules. It is logical to assume that a universe created by an intelligent mind will have intelligible laws governing it throughout. But does it follow that a universe born out of chaos should be governed by an consistent set of intelligible rules?
Richard Dawkins has said that faith in a creator incompatible with science, because its assumptions cannot be tested. However can the assumptions of Atheism be tested? i.e. that the logical laws that govern the universe should be self-existent.
Come and hear Dr Arthur Jones expand on this subject map. Arthur work has worked for many years studying the speciation of fish in Lake Victoria you can hear his previous talk on the subject here: Fish, fossils and Evolution.This Wednesday (29th Oct) is your last chance this season to go on the Celtic Tour. This free costume tour gives a Christian perspective of the history of Edinburgh. It covers the Celtic saints the Covenanters, the Reformation the Enlightenment and much, much more. It also features Paul and Phil form the creation group in costume as St Cuthbert and John Knox. We meet 7:30pm just below the castle esplanade.
Subscribe to this feedAutumn Term - Series 4
Tuesday, October 14th 7.30pm:
Chosen Planet: Earth's Uniqueness for Life, Dr George Marshall
Has the Earth evolved through natural processes, or does it show evidence of design and purpose?
Tuesday, October 21st 7.30pm:
The God Delusion? Dr Marc Surtees
Since Dawkins' book came out quite a storm has been stirred up. Is it really true that science has shown there is no God?
Tuesday, October 28th 7.30pm:
Human Evolution: Do we share a Common Ancestry with the Apes? Dr Marc Surtees
We have all seen artists' pictures of humans evolving, but what is the actual scientific evidence?
Tuesday, November 4th 7.30pm:
Is Atheism compatible with science? Dr Arthur Jones
There has been a strong movement to ban the teaching of Intelligent Design on the grounds that it is unscientific, which implies that only Atheism is true. But is Atheism itself a faith position?
Tuesday, November 11th 7.30pm:
Does Biblical Chronology point to a Young Earth? Phil Holden
Among Christians there are differences about whether the Earth is young or old. What does the Bible have to say on this subject?
Tuesday, November 18th 7.30pm:
Darwinism under the microscope: Lessons from history, Sylvia Baker MSc
With the rise of genetics and molecular biology, evidence is emerging that Darwinism is not the unlimited process we once thought.
Tuesday, November 25th 7.30pm:
Famous medical breakthroughs: The Christian pioneers, Dr Markus Schichtel
Despite the accusation that Christians cannot do real science, much of what we take for granted today was pioneered by Christians, especially in the medical department.
Tuesday, December 2nd 7.30pm:
Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed, DVD
In a once democratic culture we are seeing the suppression of professional scientists that dare to question Darwinism. Come and watch this highly controversial DVD.
Tuesday, December 9th 7.30pm:
The Christmas Story: An Historical Investigation, Paul James-Griffiths
Is Christmas a pagan festival? Is there any factual evidence surrounding the birth of Christ?
Location
Buccleuch Free Church, Buccleuch St. (next to The Human Bein, opposite Edinburgh University - David Hume Tower)
Comments About The Group
Dr Marc Surtees has a first degree in Applied Biology and a PhD in Zoology. His doctoral research was in the hormonal control of seasonal breeding of the grey squirrel. He investigated some of the control mechanisms which ensure that squirrels breed at the right time of year to maximize the survival of their young. The hormonal control of breeding is an example of a switchable feedback control mechanism. Engineers use feedback control mechanisms in many types of machine. The existence of feedback control systems in nature is one of the many evidence of design that biologists work with all the time.
"It's exciting to be part of this group that exists to explore the evidences of design. So much of biology supports the theory of intelligent design, and I hope that discussion of the evidence will help people to see that the Biblical account of creation is as scientifically reasonable as Darwinism."
Dr Marc Surtees - PhD Zoologist, Marc and his wife run
Paradigm Shift a science shop on Leith Walk that also sells books on creation
"I am delighted to see the Creation Group being formed in Edinburgh as a timely forum for looking at evidence on the origins of life. Too often we have assumed that certain beliefs are fact, thus it is refreshing to see a group willing to address the scientific basis on this topic. As an Engineer I can see incredible structure and organisation in nature, with complex, yet perfectly constructed, building blocks for life. The question that then follows is whether such a construction can occur through random events, or whether there is some design underlying it."
Dr Dave Laurenson, PhD in Electrical Engineering, The University of Edinburgh
"I am very pleased that the Edinburgh Creation group has formed. Edinburgh has a long prestigious history of careful scientific endeavour - men of the stature of James Clerk Maxwell and James Simpson come to mind. With such a heritage, it is in keeping with the Christian convictions of many of these scientists that a careful and rigorous examination of the modern evolutionary story of origins should take place. The superstitious religious fervour in which evolution is held by so many today has attempted to stop the voice of critics being heard. However there is a growing awareness in academic circles that alternative scientific paradigms must be considered. My earnest desire is that the Edinburgh group will help many of the student population to carefully reconsider the facts and be brought to a robust understanding of the evidence for design in nature, and the recognition that much of the fossil record bears great testimony to a flood that covered the globe and its aftermath."
"My knowledge of thermodynamics has shown me that all mechanical systems (such as an engine or fridge or aeroplane etc.) require not only energy but ordered machinery in order to work. Thus simply adding energy to a lump of matter will not turn this into a machine which can do useful work. Clausius and other great thermodynamic scientists of the past, demonstrated this in the precise expression of the second law of thermodynamics which states that some of energy for useful work will in any system always be lost irretrievably. It has been argued that with an open system, useful energy can be put back in, but this will only be of use if there is an existing machine! One can never get round the 2nd law even for open systems. Working machinery or coded information (when dealing with digitally controlled machines such as in DNA) is always required before anything works."
Professor Andy C. McIntosh DSc, FIMA, C.Math, FEI, C.Eng, FInstP, MIGEM, FRAeS (Professor of Thermodynamics and Combustion Theory)